Greetings from CSM 2014 in Las Vegas! It has been a blast so far!
One of the commenters on my last post brought up some very good questions, and I felt that one deserved its own blog post:
A question that often comes up when I talk about a cash based system is “what do you do with patients that need a lot of treatments?” I realize you could argue just how many visits are necessary for any patient, but for the sake of argument how do you handle someone who might really benefit from >12 sessions of PT?
Setting expectations for patients
Though it is often difficult to precisely predict how many visits a patient may need, there are certainly those who come to my Austin-area physical therapy clinic who I know are going to need 10 or more treatments. In these situations, I think it is ever more important to be completely honest and upfront about the likelihood that multiple treatments will be needed. Expectations need to be set early on.
I have a reputation for getting people better quite quickly and though that is usually a very positive thing, it can also result in people with severe or chronic issues having unrealistic expectations about needed treatment. It’s important to get a feel for where the patient is coming from and what they are expecting so that you can make sure their expectations are realistic and in line with yours.
I also try to (tactfully) get an idea of how financially tough or easy they would consider having to pay for multiple treatments. Notice here that I used the term “consider.” There are extremely wealthy people who would “consider” paying for just three treatments with me (or even one treatment for that matter) quite difficult to do. On the other end of the spectrum, there are people with very little money who would consider 10 treatments ($1500) an absolute bargain if they were confident I could get rid of the pain that no one else could; or get them back to the activity they love but can’t currently do; or give their child a shot at an athletic college scholarship, etc.
Communicating clearly about costs
So in short, once I have evaluated the patient and know they will likely need a lot of treatment, I may say something along the lines of:
Though I am generally known for getting people better in just a few visits, what you are dealing with is going to take much more treatment than that. There’s no way to predict exactly how many sessions we’ll need, and everyone responds a little differently, but I would estimate that you will need at least _____visits. In these situations where a lot of treatment is going to be needed, I feel it’s really important that I’m clear about that upfront given I don’t directly bill insurance.
Based on their response to a statement like this, both verbal and nonverbal, I can get an idea of what else might need to be said or done. For example, sometimes people will respond by saying something like: “no problem, I just want to get better and I’m glad I’ve found someone who has a good idea of what is going on and what it’s going to take to get me back to running.” Some might physically cringe at my statement and explain that they are not sure they can afford more than a few visits. In which case I would say, “No problem. I completely understand. So let’s start with a couple visits and see how far we get, and if you’re not making progress at a pace that will get you to 100% by your limit on these sessions, I can refer you to other physical therapists in the area who take your insurance. You probably won’t get full-hour sessions one-on-one with them, but they are very good and will take very good care of you.”
So it’s really about being clear and honest, setting realistic expectations, getting a feel for what the patient is comfortable with, and moving forward or referring out appropriately.
Before I end, I’d like to add one more thing. In my Cash-Practice Guidebook, I have a subchapter titled Don’t Judge a Wallet by its Cover. There is a funny story that goes along with this interesting title, but I’ll just make the point here to never prejudge what kind of money someone has, or what they are willing to spend it on. If you do, you might end up turning away business and future referrals.
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Thanks for your good counsels. I would like to take the course that you offer
Thanks Dr Perez. I don’t actually offer any courses at the moment, but I do have an eBook on success in the cash-based model if you are interested: https://drjarodcarter.com/e-book
Thanks again!
Dr. Jarod,
I completely agree. I have people who say that they have been to traditional therapy
2x/week for 6 weeks and feel NO better or sometimes worse. So I can tell them that I usuallly see people 2-3x and they feel much better using Manual Therapy. If I have to go over that, people have seen how I treat and how much better they are getting and they do not mind to keep going a little extra. It usually saves them money in the long run. I also give people self treatment things to do and home exercises as appropriate, which they really appreciate.
A coment I get a lot is, “At the other place, they never even touched me. They just watched me exercise.” People see the advantage of our type of treatments.
Thank you for your sharing these great insights with us. I love reading what you post.
Brenda
Thank you for the comment and the kind words, Brenda. I really appreciate it.
Dr Carter,
Great blog and great information! Do you see post surgical RC and ACL tears? As you know, in the athletic population these can be very lengthy rehabs to get the athlete all the way back to competing at pre-injury levels. Any tips for this situation? I have been in cash/out of network solo private practice for almost 6 years. The new healthcare changes have caused the out of network deductibles to really increase this year to the point where I am becoming even more cash based. In the past my post surgical patients wouldn’t mind paying a little up front till their deductible was met and know that there expenses would decrease on the back end. But now the deductibles are so high they aren’t able to meet them and are completely out of pocket. My patients just end up coming less to keep their out of pocket costs down, which can be positive because it really puts more responsibility on them, but it can be a negative for money coming in.
Thanks!
Joel
I don’t see much ACL or RC post-op… I tend to refer those patients to clinics that are set up more for an exercise-based approach. When I refer them out, I tell them to come see me if they are not progressing as expected or if they have pain or ROM limitations that are not getting resolved.
With that said, I DO know of cash-based practices who specialize in post op rehab. Here is an example of one that focuses on ACL rehab: http://www.laurusrehab.com/
Thanks for your thoughts Jarod!
Thank you once again and I have a plan with post op patients now!
That’s great news! You’re very welcome.